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Roe reflects on a feast of Ryder Cup golf

Last updated: 25th September 2008

  • Faldo: out-thought and outclassed
Did Nick Faldo get it wrong? If I'm to be totally honest, I think he got it wrong in every way, shape and form.

Mark RoeQuotes of the week

The Americans - and Paul Azinger in particular - did a great job at Valhalla last weekend.

Azinger was a sensational leader; he won the battle of the media very early on, he clearly won the psychological battle with Nick Faldo and tactically and strategically he utterly outclassed the European skipper.

Azinger looked at the strengths of his team, found a chemistry within it and produced some fine pairings; Anthony Kim and Phil Mickelson, Kim Furyk and Kenny Perry, Justin Leonard and Hunter Mahan - and he stuck with them throughout the sessions as they yielded him crucial points.

However, I couldn't see any plan to the European selections. Players I thought would be foursomes players were in the fourballs and vice-versa. I would also criticise Nick for chopping and changing so much.

The first time we saw Henrik Stensson and Robert Karlsson, who for me were a potentially stunning partnership, was the fourth session - and Karlsson made seven birdies in 10 holes. We were left screaming at our TV screens as to why that partnership wasn't used earlier.

I was bewildered by the decision to drop Lee Westwood after he'd made two half-points. It's the first time he's been dropped in a Ryder Cup. He'd played 27 consecutive matches and there was absolutely no reason on earth to rest him. I simply can't figure it out.

Nick was determined to do things in his way, but if I'd have been Ryder Cup captain - and that's a position I'm never going to be in - I would have also handled Padraig Harrington differently.

Having watched the way he was playing on the first day when he clearly wasn't on his game, I would have given him a break to go and practice and work on things. As a double major champion this year we needed him to find his game and then spearhead the challenge in the singles.

Order

The order Nick sent the guys out on Sunday also baffled me. Nick and the players felt we needed strength at the bottom of the batting order because they thought it might be close and they didn't want to put a rookie under the potential pressure of needing to hole a putt to save the Ryder Cup.

The players will have discussed with Nick that they needed a little strength at the bottom, but we ended up with too much weight in the tail.

Ian Poulter was playing stunning golf, I've never seen anybody more up for it, as proved by the fact he was the leading points scorer in the Ryder Cup, but he was put in a position where his match was an irrelevance to the outcome.

If anybody was getting in the faces of the Americans all week, it was Poulter and he was the guy they didn't want to play against. Everyone knew that, yet he was put in the wrong position; he should have been much higher up.

Perhaps Poulter wasn't the man to spearhead things on the final day, but I certainly wouldn't have put Sergio Garcia out first. He wasn't putting well, he wasn't really on his game and he wasn't feeling well - so why put him out first?

If Anthony Kim was going to be intimidated by anybody on that final day, it was going to be somebody who has won two major championships this year. A calm, composed Harrington would have been my choice to lead them out.

Did Nick Faldo get it wrong? If I'm to be totally honest, I think he got it wrong in every way, shape and form.

Spectacular

However, it needs to be said that this was a great Ryder Cup. As a visual treat it was spectacular and the coverage was simply stunning.

I know I work for Sky Sports as an analyst, but speaking from the perspective of a viewer I watched and loved every single minute of it. The production, the camera work and the presentation befitted a great sporting occasion. It was a feast of golf and it was beautifully presented.

The Ryder Cup remains a celebration of this great sport. The Americans gave us the best team they've produced in the last decade in terms of spirit and desire and I will never forget the quality of their golf on Sunday when they gave us 56 birdies and two eagles.

The rookies were sensational and Boo Weekley in particular was utterly engaging. I laughed so hard at his Kentucky Derby horse-riding performance on the first tee of the singles. A great new character emerged over the last week.

Another thing that emerged was a rising star in the shape of Anthony Kim, who is going to become one of the best players in the world and will perhaps challenge Tiger Woods in the future.

And from the European perspective, we saw the emergence of an absolute hero in Ian Poulter.

But ultimately, the Ryder Cup at Valhalla will be remembered for the victory of one captain over another - and unfortunately for Nick Faldo, the job he did as captain of the European team was not very memorable.

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James Lawler says...

Couldn't agree more with Mark's comment - he is spot. While the players must take some blame for not performing it is right to criticise Faldo, he got it very wrong in all sessions. Poor old Ollie never got a look in. There appeared to be no backroom team, no plan, no motivation, and no team spirit. Very few of the team have much time for Faldo, outside respect for great professional record. For me the warning signs were obvious from the opening ceromony. Faldo babbled on with nonsense like he was completely out of it and all the players looked bemused to say the least. The way he introduced Graeme McDowell said it all "Are you from Ireland or Northern Ireland, well what ever". I am sure this was a hint of the same attitude that over looked Darren Clarke. In fairness to Ian Poulter he played fantastic and I was sure he would not let the side down and he did not. Paul Casey's inclusion was a mistake. He appeared disinterested and out of sorts and he has treated the European Tour disrespectfully over the past 2 years. Anyway enough of the sour grapes, USA deserved to win and congrats to them. It was refreshing to see JB and Boo play in a swashbuckling way with some spirit. Another European win may have killed the Ryder Cup. Roll on Celtic Manor........

Posted 13:14 2nd October 2008

Gavin Kennedy says...

Delighted to read Mark Roe's report. It was a honest view and i firmly agree in the foursomes and fourballs maybe Nick got them mixed up!!!!!

Posted 20:38 30th September 2008

Matt Porter says...

One question Mark.... why will you never be Captain of the Ryder Cup Team...? Surely the only qualification you need is knowledge of the game, man management and good tactics.. You seem to talk a lot of sense so why not...? I'll start the Mark Roe for captain campaign..

Posted 13:33 29th September 2008

Kevin Bashford says...

Enough of slating Faldo. The way the press treated Faldo during the Ryder Cup was a disgrace in some quarters. If you analysed his decisions over the week he made many more right than wrong but that gets lost in the stampede to criticise him. Yes, there were a couple of quirky pairings on the first two days, but the successes of Oliver Wilson and G Mac were a revelation. You forget that Garcia and Westwood asked to be left out and as for the singles, the players would have been asked where they wanted to play and had a massive input into the singles order. Would Faldo have not been slated for ignoring what his players said and sticking them in the order he wanted? Of course he would. And whoever played Weekley and Perry would have got stuffed anyway the way they played. Ultimately, the USA played the better golf and deserved to win.

Posted 13:30 29th September 2008

Leslie Eriera says...

Europe did not lose because Nick Faldo was captain, Europe lost because out best players did not perform on the day and America's did. Had the likes of Westwood, Garcia and Harrington performed Europe would have won, even with the Americans holing every single putt.

Posted 18:16 28th September 2008

Johnny Lawrence says...

I agree Mark with most of your comments and YES Faldo got it wrong in the final day singles.When chasing points you have to front load as heavy as you can,and I would not have put Sergio out first.He must have known Azinger was going to put Anthony Kim out first,so my choice would have been an unflappable Westwood.Kim played mind games with Garcia from the off and totally destroyed him.It did not send a good vibe back down the field when you see your leading player getting murdered.Casey in No 2 position played awful and was lucky to get a half.If you look at the middle 4 games they all went to the Americans.On a positive well done Ian Poulter, when asked to stand up he did and was counted,a fine display of guts and determination.I do believe a Darren Clarke in the team would have seen a more positive Lee Westwood,you could see he missed him. Basically Faldo relied too heavily on his so called big 3 and they did not deliver.Also I feel that the lack of more Vice Captains did not help,Olly and Mr Selfish could not be every where.So in a nutshell were were just out played and out classed.Well done Zinger you got it right and we got got it wrong.

Posted 15:18 28th September 2008

Martin Moore says...

The USA had us beat before we had even teed a ball up. Why when they changed their selection process did we not change our's to match it. Selecting 10 out of 12 on the basis of their form over 2 years makes no sense. Players who were in form were ignored and with only 2 picks we had no chance of matching the USA . As for Faldo, it just proves that he may have a superb Ryder Cup record, but that is clearly not enough to qualify him as a good Captain. He was totally out of his depth both on and off the course, and until the powers' to be realise, that we need to select our Captain on the basis of his man management ability and not simply because of his playing record we could well find we will revert to playing second fiddle to a reinvigorated USA team.

Posted 22:03 27th September 2008

Robert Ellis says...

People can critisise Faldo till the cows come home. Before the match started all the pundits were moaning about him picking Poulter - sorry how many points did the guy score. Unfortunately one or two players sis not perform how they maight have been expected to. In my opinion one of the major factors is the loss of the trophy was the American loss of Tiger Woods. For the first time in years they were a team not 11 plus an individual who clearly has a bad effect in a team situation. OK they've won the cup back - perhaps a good job before they lost interest - now we can have a good go in Wales and lets have the trophy - lots of good plus points for the future.

Posted 20:16 27th September 2008

Gary Slatter says...

Faldo should not be blamed, Europe lost because the American players played better that week The winners should have to play the ROTW in a real President's Cup - every two years the Ryder Cup Champions play the Rest of the World Team.

Posted 10:21 27th September 2008

Tom Long says...

As soon as Faldo named his line up for the singles - it was over ! The tail was loaded with our stronger players and those who had shown form during the first two days! The only way to win it was to load those Faldo selected at the bottom of the singles draw in the top half ! Keeping the crowds quiet by having Europe earn points early to even things up would have put pressure on the American team ! The last day is all about momentum and if the Europeans could have kept the American crowds quieter by drawing level on points going into the last eight matches I think we might have sneeked it ! Amazing really how Faldo - a great strategist during his playing career could be so inept at selecting working partnerships and a decent singles line-up ! The only thing he did get right was picking Poulter = the most passionate player in the entire event!

Posted 02:52 27th September 2008

Tony Finegan says...

I have to agree with the majority of Marks analysis. I thought Faldos pairings for the first day were wrong. I thought Casey should have won his match (he was only level par for the round), putting him and garcia out first was a mistake as neither were putting well and Faldo would have known this. Karlsson should have been number one or two. He was arguably the form player of the two teams going into Sunday instead he was positioned to pick up a "handy" point. I can see his thinking behind putting Harrington down he order he was clearly struggling with his game but loading the bottom with G Mac Westy and Poulter was wrong. The pairings were ridiculous far too much choping and changing. Its crucial in a ryder cup to find a few key partnerships and build from there. Faldo seemed content to chop and change thinking that all his players could play together. The Westwood Hansen partnership in particular didnt seem to work absolutely zero chemistry, The team did lack on field leadership. Faldo didnt understand the void left behind by the ommission of Clarke and Montgomere. Also the absence of Luke Donald cannot be underestimated as he has developed into a key figure over the last two Ryder cups. Finally well done Sky on some great coverage. One reccomendation for Celtic Manor however is that ye try to get a panelist under 60!A youthful view might be no harm for a change.

Posted 20:38 26th September 2008

Paul Maguire says...

Europe's golfing hierarchy need to come out and explain how they go about picking a captain. Picking the World's #1 golfing loner was a disaster from the start. The picking of Casey was proved to be wrong - I don't think he holed a putt all week! Obviously the Captain forgot the old adage of Drive for Show and Putt for Dough. I really think Clarke was missed. I am amused by people's criticism of Harrington, historically he does not do very well at this competition. If I had the choice to pick the Captain for the next Ryder Cup I would be looking for someone with the passion of a Seve or Woosie - Monty maybe though I worry he might alienate some of his team. So why not go back to Seve?

Posted 19:10 26th September 2008

Mark Horobin says...

I don't think Faldo was a particulalry good captain but I also don't think he was the reason we lost the Ryder Cup. Firstly I don't think the captain makes anywhere near as much difference as everyone thinks. Secondly Europe despite an odd individual under performance actually played pretty well and I'm sure would have won the last couple of Ryder cups quite comfortably. However the USA really stepped up their game partly due to being sick of getting beat, partly because they were underdogs and the pressure was off, partly because they had plenty of rookies not tainted by previous beatings and partly becuase of no Tiger which made everyone step up to the plate rather than looking for someone else to do it for them. I don't think they've had enough credit for how well they played. If the US had played like that in the last couple of Ryder Cups we'd have been talking about close matches and possibly even US wins.

Posted 13:08 26th September 2008

Tom Ryan says...

I think that this Ryder Cup has confirmed the importance of the Captain's role. If we are to properly compete, it is important that in future the Captain is picked on the basis of the best Captain being selected rather than simply rewarding prior personal achievement.

Posted 12:28 26th September 2008

Brian M says...

I think the Ryder Cup was fantastically close and the result cant be blamed on a man who didn¿t strike a ball in Valhalla. The players¿ reaction after the match shows it was far from Nick Faldo¿s fault alone with some looking for Nick to be re-elected for 2010. A few pairings didn¿t work for him but if you look back to previous Ryder Cups when players are asked who they¿d like to play with they usually say anyone from the other 11 ¿ everyone wants to play and regardless of whom with. Consider 3 small changes to what actually happened in Valhalla. 1. Soren Hansen and Harrington¿s pairings for the singles are flipped. Hansen draws Campbell and Harrington an inspired JB Holmes. Going on figures Hansen wins around the 14th, Harrington is beaten and Europe get a point from these two players rather than zero. Overall Result is now 12½ - 15½ 2. Lee Westwood doesn¿t get severe blisters from his new shoes (strange time to break in a new pair of DryJoys I must say Lee) and rather than hobble around between the ¿boo-ing¿ Yankee crowd to gain just 1 point out of 4 matches he plays all 5 games and gains a realistic 2 points. Updated Result 13½ - 14½. You must agree that the above changes to the matches aren¿t overly dramatic and could very well have been the outcome with a little bit of luck on Faldo¿s side. 3. Now to the third minor change to the week. 17th green on Sunday afternoon: Hunter Mahan hits a putt ¿ very solidly bang out of the centre of the putter face ¿ which is surely going 10 feet past but it some how hits the back of the hole, makes a crater on impact and somehow jumps in the air and down into the hole. Hunter¿s a hero! But what if he didn¿t hit the hole and went on to three putt the 17th? He would have lost the game to Casey rather than half and the result would have read Europe 14 ¿ USA 14. Europe retain the Ryder Cup ! The Ryder Cup is made up of fractions - moments of luck and moments of misfortune.

Posted 11:13 26th September 2008

Malcolm r Simpson says...

Looks to me that the people who selected Faldo didn't do much homework when it comes to motivation of others. Let the man who earned the points be captain in 2010 ie Poulter...he deserves it. Stroke play winners in the order of merit is one thing, but this is match play...they don't pick Cricket test teams from the top scorers or best bowlers...they "pick" players who can win matches. Surely all those in high places in the PGA can spot winners with attitude. Forget the money...pick winners who can be motivated and coached psychologically into believing that the Cup can be ours again!!

Posted 21:04 25th September 2008

Jorge Moreira da costa says...

As RCup wasn't broadcasted over here, I followed the match by internet while watching videos and DVD's from previous RCup matches. And really, Faldo was not a very good choice. He wanted the job (read his autobiography), we was no doubt committed to do it as best he knew how but... he has never been a team player and this is nothing one changes at 50. And RCup is team play. And when we succeeded, even against so-much-powerful USA teams, it was because we were a team while they were 1+1+1+...=12. Now about the (possible) new captain. Look back and follow the past experience: team player, fighter, individual success, involvement, the first to arrive and the last to leave That was the key: Jacklin, Gallacher, Seve, Langer, Woosie, Torrance, all had that. So, for 2010, I would like Colin. I know he would prefer to be in the fairway and his form will probably rebuild again to allow that. But he would be the leader, the image of fight and passion, of 30 footers and chip-ins, of happiness and joy of the game all reflected in that permanent smile. Most of the 2010 team will be made of almost RCup rookies; they need Colin to lead the way, knowing he has been there, he knows how things are done to win because he has done all of them.

Posted 16:40 25th September 2008

Ronan Morris says...

I'm all for pinning the bulk of the blame on Faldo. The three players he most needed to positively motivate were Garcia, Westwood & Harrington. He failed miserably. These 3 guys had the least to prove at the Ryder Cup. Their individual achievements mark them out as names that will always be remembered in European golf history. They had the least to lose by playing badly and had the least to lose by Europe losing. I'm not saying they deliberately played badly but they didn't look sufficiently motivated. That is down to Nick. He thinks he is the greatest Euro golfer of all time. That may be so but there is very little humility on show. There was a feeling that he would be grasping most or all of the credit if they won. His performance in the opening ceremony must have had the senior players cringing. His decision to rest Westwood on day 2 was ridiculous and I believe it was done to simply assert his authority - not for the benefit of the team. I think that from that point, Westwood still wanted to win but he wasn't as bothered if the match was lost. That is a damning indictment of Faldo given how much Westwood has given to recent Ryder Cups. Lee's comments re the crowd were just a symptom of his frustration. Faldo has no idea what it takes to build a team. This failing was cruelly exposed last weekend. What was he doing driving around in a buggy with this kids? Daft. His only saving grace - and what has saved him from a through savaging - was that Poulter played fantastcially well. His comment at the end about the rain in Wales is also further evidence of this man's thoughtlessness.

Posted 16:15 25th September 2008

Eamon Smyth says...

I think the first warning signs were when Faldo only picked one VC, the second warning sign was at the opening presentation, he fluffed through his speach and made a fool of himself, there was no motivation from him comming across on tv, Olazabal was never mentioned, to me his personality was bigger than the team he was supposed to manage, I think it was a pity that some of the players looked completly shot by Sunday, sergio, himinez, harrington, stenson, none of them looked anywhere near what they can be, this is the captains fault as far as I am concerned, Faldo does not have the personality of Torrance or woosie and a serious mistke will be made if Lyle is made next captain, forget about major winners as captains, Lyle cleared off to the states and didnt come back to Europe, captains need to be looked at from motivational reasons as well as being good selectors, Lyle is the wrong man, who will be next, is this the trend now to give it to ex world number ones who won a major.

Posted 13:30 25th September 2008

Tony Connell says...

Faldo though a disaster with the media - did not take a single shot last week, made no bogies and lost no points. One of his picks ended as top point scorer in the whole competition - yet 95% of people would not have had Ian Poulter playing at all. Garcia played against Kim like he was the new guy taking on the world renowned player rather than vice versa. Ben Curtis turned over Westwood and Chad Campbell beat multiple major winner Harrington. The amount of birdies and eagles the american team made, the low scoring and the way their 'rookies' handled the pressure made them deserving winners. I saw Garcia, Harrington, Westwood and particulary Casey miss very makeable putts and play well below their usual standard..can Faldo be blamed for that?

Posted 13:12 25th September 2008

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